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Does true love exist????????

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ShadowLost
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0 posted 06-23-2001 04:58 PM       View Profile for ShadowLost   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ShadowLost

True love....what a thought.  What a dream to find.  Have you ever felt the loss of a love you believed would last forever and ever???  Something you believed to be everything you'd ever dreamt of????  Gradually you were let down by one thing or another, realizing you never had their love and definately not their heart???  I, myself have only found one truly unconditional love in this world.  That love comes from our God above.  I want to hear what you people have to say about love.  Any aspect, anything at all to help me believe again.  To find hope, in the darkness of the shadow, behind the eclipse of my heart.  

This is an interesting and exciting place it seems, I hope it will be.

~ShadowLost~


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1 posted 06-23-2001 05:06 PM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

Welcome to Passions.

This is a very interesting question. I have to agree with you there, there is no such thing as perfect love, other than the love that our Lord has for us. But human love is also a Heavenly gift, and in spite of its flaws, it is something to treasure. I'm sure you'll find the love you are looking for someday. I hope to hear more of your thoughts soon!

"Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel."-Machiavelli

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Does true love exist??

Yes, yes it does. . . but, you have to know it when you see it. . .

How do I know it??

You will. . .

But, know that true love begins within you, you can't really love someone else totally unless you love yourself first. . . you have to take a good long look in the mirror of your soul and look at all the things that make you who you are, the good and the bad things. . . and then, you have to make the good better and get as much of the bad out of there as you can. . .

When you've done this, you'll be more open to finding true love. . . because when you love yourself, people see that. . . so, look inside first. . . love yourself. . .  

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Hi, welcome. I have felt the loss of what I thought was a real love, more times than I care to think of. But I do believe that true love exists. It is rare, though. Right now I have witnessed a true and beautiful love develop between two of my friends, and I promise you that it is real. Now if we could all have it, life would be so much happier. Maybe it won't happen for everyone. But I still have hope for the future and I hope you will too.
Sandra
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Unlike Sven, I don't believe True Love is so easily distinguished. But I do think true, lasting, unconditional love is as possible on a human level as it is on the divine one. As evidence, I would submit the way some parents feel about their children. It doesn't matter who the child becomes or what the child does, the parent's love remains undiminished. We have it within our hearts to love in this way. To love perfectly.

Like Sandra, however, I think finding this kind of love between a man and a woman is rare. Exceedingly rare. Or, as I've expressed elsewhere, True Love is Not A Common Thing.    
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I do feel welcomed indeed.   Yes, Lovebug human love is and can be a heavenly gift.  Ron's comment about parental love is one of those...the love one has for their offspring is a one of strongest bonds that I know of and have seen.  

While I've been sitting here writing this it occured to me though that some parents for some reason or another aren't able to show their love and affection to their children and the children grow up lost, alone, rejected, and may feel emotionally abandoned.  

Human bonds can be some of the most special gifts on this earth but I believe they lack the divine perfection that our hearts truly long for.  I am coming to the conclusions that this is the love my own heart desperatly needs to be ultimately and completely fullfilled.  

Another thing, sometimes we perceive ourselves or others to complete us and make us whole.  The cliche.....if only I could find that one person that would take away my lonliness, emptiness, etc. I would be happy, etc......I know in that lies some truth but I also believe it isn't all or maybe not the truth at all.  Like what Sven said, about loving ourselves.  That true love starts with us.  I partially agree with his statement but love is sooo very much more than even that.  But, nonetheless in it does lie some truth.  

Another thing to contemplate.  The statement, "Love is Blind" Apply this to your life....what conclusions do you or can you take from the truth of this statement.  Have you ever known someone who's eyes you looked dreamily into and your heart, soul, spirit and everything inside of you thought "Love at first sight".  The perfect creature that makes me flutter and my heart skip.  Some say this is the physical, chemical things that happen.  In this situation we also can acknowledge the way we feel in the presence of this human creature that appears to connect to us in such a way that is incomprehensible, unexplainable to you or them.  You may feel that you've known them forever, etc.  

That would make some think, feel, imagine, dream, KNOW, that they have found that one special LOVE, more often than not taken to seem to be romantic love.It's not at all, maybe it's less than that, or possibly even more.

What might come to our minds is the idea of soulmates, lifemates, twinsouls, etc.  Which could be of either sexs, ages, races, seeming to transcend anything.  What is this idea???  Elaborate on this, what is all of this?????  

There are many dangers on this earth, hence this is the dwelling of good versus evil and the battle that has gone on for as long back in our human existence as we are aware of.  It is the undertone of our very existence whether we acknowledge it or not.  

A few of the dangers with the concept of blindness in love is that we may put a seemingly perfect human creature on a pedestal so high that we are unable to see that human with honest, unbiased, objective eyes.  In there lies many the dangers of love, usually in romantic love but in any other love between human species.  We as the imperfect creatures made in the perfect image of God are fallible and are known to hurt people in our lives for many, many, selfish uncaring reasons.  We tend to compare and contrast and are often unforgiving and petty.

Yes, love can start with us. "Love the LORD with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind and love your neighbor as you would love yourself".  Something straight from the bible, and something valuable to ponder and think about.  In there lies depth....what do those statements fully mean.  Principles of life that are as true today as the day they were told to Abraham.  

For a shadow is lost!!!!!!!!!!
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~ShadowLost~

...and now these three things remain: faith, hope and love.††But, the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13.13

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I think the definition of true love is different for different people. And as Ron so aptly said, true love is NOT a common thing. It can't be forced either! We can't make someone love us no matter how hard we try. Love ourselves first? Sure! That's not so easy you know? And if we don't love ourselves how can we expect others to? And once you've been hurt, how can you love again? It's very hard to let anyone into your heart after being 'burned' badly. And if you can't do that, do you miss the opportunity for true love? Because you were hiding from ANY form of love?

We've all heard the internet stories of true love (my son and his wife are a case in point - married 3 years and expecting their first baby). Is that love any truer? Because the avoided the 'physical' attraction first and loved solely from the heart?

This is an interesting topic!
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So much to say......Agreed that true love is very RARE and UNCOMMON.  Another question I hinted at in the initial topic was if one believes they've found true love then it dissappoints them to the depth and bottom of their heart and soul.  And as PoetDevine points out what about those individuals that have been open, and trusting and have been burned to a crisp ?how are they supposed to know or believe what it is they are looking for.  It makes one just want to give up on it all and hope for something better in the afterlife such as Heaven.  It is devastating when someone you love hurts you.  People are hurt everyday by little things and by major offences by someone they love.  There are some ways love can begin with us and others where it is not.  We do have the copacity to give love but it is not always reciprocated.  Which could be for any number of reasons ie.  they aren't tall enough, short enough, don't talk the way we want them to, their nose is too big, this list could go on forever as long as we are only human.  Why would someone fall in love with someone when they are in love with someone else?  Why would people marry and vow to spend their lives together and then divorse?  Why do mothers throw their just born babies in dumpsters?  So many questions and things in the name of LOVE.

There are a lot of issues within this topic of life.....much to say....and even more to ponder and chew in thought.

Take the ball and roll........

~ShadowLost~
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...and now these three things remain: faith, hope and love.††But, the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13.13

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I think that love is an innate emotional need but is developed as we grow and learned about love. The first love is our caregiver. Later in life we still need love but not for survival. I can tell you that love is hard work. I been married for over 10 years and I think that I can say that I known true love.
But the past 3 years have not been easy, my love has been tested constantly. And it keeps getting tested, will my love survive? only time will tell, because as long as I love him,I hate to admit I will want him by my side.Love is such a feeling of bliss that even when you are not loved, you can think that you're happy.(Does that make sense?)
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I've loved and lost like everyone.  I became friends with a girl many years ago.  We truly liked each other a lot.  Now 27 years later she and I are still married and have a great relationship.  Know what?  We are also still friends.  I think that helps.  She has her quirks and faults, as do I.  It's best to overlook the small problems and concentrate on the ones that could cause a real problem in the relatlionship.  We only dated for a couple of months before getting married and everyone said that it wouldn't last.  She was only 18 and I was 21.  We've had our hills and valleys over the years but we've managed to work out the things that threatened our marriage.  I dearly love her and I've no doubt but that she feels the same.  Yes, true love exists.  I know, because I've found it.  I wish you luck on your quest to do the same.

Michael  

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There is more depth to the heart than the human mind can comprehend and it only has boundaries when we choose to fence it in.  

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I think it's out there.......I know I've felt it.....SO yes......in my world it does.
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One thing I haven't seen in this topic is that love is a gift.  Love isn't taken, stolen or even bartered with.  True love is given without conditions and expectations.  I have a friend that I gave my love to.  She is my best of my best friends.  No matter how she has hurt me that love has only grown stronger.  Now you tell me how this is possible.  Can you?  Or is it just beyond human understanding?  Maybe Paul put it the best way in his first letter to the Corinthians.  "Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.  Love never fails."  I believe that is the most accuate discription of my love for her and she has told me that her love for me is the same.  What more can one ask for.  So in closing it is out there but most of all, love isn't love until you give it away.


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I do believe that true love exists.  I met the love of my life a long time ago.  Unfortunatly at the time I wasn't open to believing in love.  I had been burned badly not long before I met Chris.  He tried to convince me for 2 years that his love for me was real.  He finally gave up on me.  He said that he couldn't take it anymore.  It took me another 2 years before my doctor finally diagnosed me with depression and put me in counciling.  It wasn't until then that I realized how much I loved Chris.  I believe that it was true love.  I was just to scared to give him my heart.  
Do I have a point?  Yes!  My point is that true love does exist.  You just have to make sure that you are willing to take the chance when it finds you.
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Someone mentioned that love is a gift.  Yes love is the most precious gift of all.  Between humans I believe it is possible to find true love but it is so difficult to find.  True love is given away.  It is something that should be given unconditonally without any conditions or expectations that the love will be returned.  From my experience it is something that is not easy for humans to do.  God and Jesus are the ones in my life that I know truly love me.  I hope those of you who have claimed to have found love won't be let down and your heart shattered to pieces.  I hope to learn to love unconditionally as I can to those that love me, those that I love, those out their I consider my worst enemies and those who have done injustice towards me and to others in this world. Remember also love is more than romantic love towards a single human being, it is more encompassing and greater than that.  It is loving the hungry man on the side of the road, it is loving the murderers and thiefs and loving those you dislike.  I want so badly to believe that a human can love in this way.  Including myself.  And yes 1 Corinthians 13 sums love up quite perfectly.  People that is LOVE, anything less well....you tell me.

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...and now these three things remain: faith, hope and love.††But, the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13.13

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I find this to be one of the most sad aspects of the human condition.. the broken heart.

I don't think that true love between lovers is as rare as the paradigms that are capable of creating it.  The notion of 'soul-mates' has corrupted our thinking and feeling process.  

If, for example, a person does believe there is a God that created the universe and us, and that we were created in the image of this 'God' then with about 8 billion or so people on the planet there should be about 8 billion or so people worthy of giving and recieving 'true' love.  After all, this 'God' wouldn't make junk.

The fact is, we will have many 'relationships' with people that will feature 'true' love.  They will not last becasue they will progress as far as possible until one or the other realizes even though the relationship is 'real' the other person is simply not the 'one' for them for reasons that are totally irrelevant.

What people do though is try to determine what is 'wrong' with the other person looking for excuses to end the relationship, or wrong with themselves if they've been dumped.. when in fact.. there is nothing wrong with or about either -- just merely the fact they are 'wrong' for each other.

Becoming mired in the 'what went wrongs' prevents us from moving on to what will be 'right' in the future.

Every relationship is a gift.  Any love that comes into our life is a gift.  It is a thing of beauty. And all relationships will come to an end.. in one way or another.

True love can be abundant.

Hate is a dead thing. Who of you would be a tomb? -Kahlil Gibran

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I regretfully neglected to point out why the reasons are irrelevent.  

If we dwell on some reason we think caused us to be rejected.. or even on a characteristic someone tells us is why they rejected us.. then we will constantly be trying to change ourselves to fit the mold of someone who isn't right for us.

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I'm going to admit to not reading anybody's replies simply because I'm short on time, I'm lazy, and my attention span isn't that big. So I'm just going throw in whatever I've got and if it was already mentioned then I'm sorry. But this is what I believe about love: Love is like fire. It's beautiful, intense, mysterious, captivating, and it burns. It can also leave scars, destroy, and then simply disappear into a cloud of smoke. The damage doesn't disappear, but anything that might console you does. Because it makes you wonder. How did this happen? Why? That's what a family wants to know when their home burns to the ground. That's what you want to know when your heart lays broken on the ground. But love and fire do have a difference. If you touch fire, you'll burn. If you touch love, you'll be unleashed.

Aside from all that...it also depends on the person. Don't make anyone else who wants to love you suffer for what someone else did. Someone they probably won't even know. Just keep an open mind and listen to your instincts. Sometimes they're wrong, but mistakes teach you things. And those things should never equal fear. Though lets face it...often they do. Anyway, good luck.  

"...if you want love you must be love.."
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A friend once told me that True love was giving the one that you love a knife, and then walking away. . . I didn't really understand that then. . .I do now. . .

Just something to think about. . .

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I believe in it... I always had a feeling there was such a thing, but could never prove it...now I know for sure. It's out there, everyone has a soulmate. Ummm, Sven, a knife?? As in you trust them that much...? Or that your willing to let them have power...? Explain.

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trust IS power
power is NOT love
love is NOT trust

...at least not 'just' trust. we trust people daily, even if we don't recognize it as such. trust, as with love, comes in different forms. 'true' love... well, there are many forms of truth as well.

Esclandre
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Ive heard that love is a state of the mind.  The mind is a very powerful thing, and maybe love is what ur mind has "convinced" yourself of...that's one theory anyway. No matter how you reach love, I think "true love" is a sincere thing. Perhaps its "embracing" that love which is the difficult thing - not "finding" it, as so many people complain of.  So many times its just sitting there waiting for us to take it, but are too scared to. I, for one, believe in it though, as I'm in love right now and it's the most genuine feeling I've ever felt in my life.

Janelle aka miss cutie
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Yes, it does exist.  It's out there, although rare to experience.

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absolutely.....

" I walked beside the evening sea And dreamed a dream that could not be" George William Curtis"

Kathleen

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What hope would we have if we didnt believe that true love exsists? I dont think you can just wait for it to fall inot your lap...I believe you have to work at it...constantly guarding against becoming to sure that what you have you can hold....take it for granted....there are no guarantess...I dont believe love is a 50/50 proposition either....each person has to be willijng to give 100% always...and never forget how powerful "I love you" really is...
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