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A question just for the guys about their fminine side

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0 posted 07-29-2000 04:19 AM       View Profile for Jeffrey Carter   Email Jeffrey Carter   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jeffrey Carter

Are you, as a poet, more in touch with your feminine side than those who aren't poets?

I think that I am and I don't mind admitting that. Just wondering what you guys think.

Ladies if you have an opinion on this topic feel free to share it.

The best and most beaytiful things in the world cannot be seen or touched...but are felt in the heart (Helen Keller)

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1 posted 07-29-2000 07:36 AM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Well, you didn't say the women couldn't come in, so I did, but your title didn't say we could respond, but I am, only because your content said "Ladies, welcome" in part.

Any man who can and will write poetry may not be totally in touch with their feminine side, but he IS, IMHO, in touch with his feelings and has that unique ability to share his senses. He also perhaps has a bit of educator in himself [now here I am talking about the guys that take poetry seriously - not that they need write seriously, but that they have a purpose for writing].

Women are also historians in their writing, but personally, mine is more of the sharing kind. And the touching kind. I want my poetry to expand and expound on your thoughts and feelings, for it is only you that can turn away from them or take heed of them. Mine are only on a silver platter of offering.

Is that how you feel? Interesting topic, I will have to come back and see what others think!

Sunny

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Helen Keller ~~~

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I'm not sure what a "feminine side" is...I'm not aware of having one.  My poetry comes from what I feel at the moment of writing; the subject may not specifically apply to me, but I feel it is universal as regards unrequited love.  The vast majority of poetry I have written concerns the subject of unrequited love and all the various emotions attached thereto.  I have a deep and abiding love for good poetry, particularly rhyme and meter.
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Too many men are afraid to show their emotions, and I think that's a pity. I know it's due to generations of brainwashing, but it's time to banish all that crap.  Makes me want to become a lesbian at times, lol. But male poets, in my opinion,  allow the feminine side that ALL men possess the freedom it deserves. And I find that SO refreshing.  Now I've just gotta find me one of those men...  
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4 posted 07-29-2000 08:53 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Heh-heh-heh... I'd like to touch my feminine side...  

Seriously...I'm kind of thinking that perhaps it doesn't have so much to do with being a poet as it does with the times we're in. It's becoming more... fashionable, to be "sensetive." Used to be a time, when a man was defined by his strength, a stereotypical (though not necessarily off the mark) ideal.

But times and needs change. I see things moving more toward the direction of a man being defined by his strength... of character. In a way, it's not fair. Women have the advantage. They've been taught to be sensitive and caring for centuries and more,. Whereas men are having to forgo a lifetime of evolutional instinct in order to reach the new ideals (probably thought up by women...  )

So I think that as more time goes by, you will find it more common to see men in touch with their "feminine" side. (Now when do we get to make the women mor in touch with their masculine sides???)

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I think 150 years ago, a man needed his his physical strength to build a house, clear a field, etc. With progress, it becomes unnecessary for a  him to physically do what he used to (ok..there are exceptions but I'm talking generally).

Men have feminine sides. Women have masculine sides. Society (that scapegoat!) dictates what is allowable for us to expose of those other sides.

I think a man should be sensitive. It's part of his nature too. Just as being insensitive is part of a woman's nature. A man can nurture - look at loving fathers! A man can write beautiful sensitive words - look at Frost!

Anyway..that's my two cents even though I'm not a man!      
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6 posted 07-30-2000 06:07 AM       View Profile for Jeffrey Carter   Email Jeffrey Carter   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jeffrey Carter

Sunshine, I'm not sure I understand your question (perhaps I am having a blonde moment here   )

But maybe this is the answer....I write what I feel and out of need to release my feelings. I don't express my feelings very well by talking so I write. Even more than that I write because it's the one way that people don't pass judgement on me personally.I don't ask them to like what I write and if they don't care for my writing .... so what? ya know?

I write with the hope of touching another's heart. To make them think or even let them know that whatever it is that they are going through that it does get better. If I touch just one person in all my life that will make it worth while

Rex, I (IMHO) think all men have a feninine side.

Vaporous one (please tell how you came up with that user name) I agree. Most men do not know how to show their emotions and I have noticed that most male poets do show their emotion, hiding behind their pen of course, some may be unaware of this as Rex has already said. I also think that most men really want to show their feelings, they're just too afraid of what everyone would say or think, but truth be told, they really want to sorry guys just saying what I think

Christopher, LMAO You are probably right

Sharon, Your two cents worth is always worth much more than that

Thank you all again for participating in this discussion

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If expressing what you feel is exposing your feminine side then I would have to say yes. Someone once said that what is most beautiful in virile men is something feminine; what is most beautiful in feminine women is something masculine. Corita Kent said women's liberation is the liberation of the feminine in the man and the masculine in the woman. Perhaps that says it best. I work in a male dominated field, but have seen women perform better that a lot of the men. I think the days of men can't do this and women can't do that are behind us. Except of course in a few isolated areas. (despite what richard simmons wants)




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8 posted 07-30-2000 09:30 PM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

I don't think that just because a man is able to express his feelings he has a "feminine side". He's doing just that: expressing his feelings, which he experiences and has every right to express. He is just using a different outlet to express them. If there were a female who did not express her emotions and kept them to herself, would we say, "She's in touch with her masculine side?" Everyone has feelings, and everyone expresses them in their own way. I don't write just because I'm female, I write because I like to and I can do so. While it is my way of expressing my feelings, I think it has more to do with way of expression than with gender.

Elizabeth


Why ME???


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9 posted 07-30-2000 10:57 PM       View Profile for Jeffrey Carter   Email Jeffrey Carter   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jeffrey Carter

Jamie, LMAO@richard simmons  

Elizabeth, I was waiting and wondering who would be the first female to say that a man has no feminine side

Ok, you do make a very good point, but I still have to disagree with you on the point of men not having a feminine side. I think we(all men) do. Just as all women have a masculine side.

This of course is just my opinion

I can see where one might say that there is no such thing as a masculine or feminine side if this were a perfect world everyone would only have a human side, but we don't live in a perfect world. We live in a world where who we are is dictated by what gender we are.

Me, I cry at sappy old movies, hurt when I know someone else is hurting and that I can't help them, Maybe it's just my way of rebelling against main stream society and all it's mixed up "rules." But in any case, this is who I am and who I always will be. I'm not saying that you are wrong and I am right, I just don't agree with you is all. I could be wrong. (It's been known to happen a time or two)

Anyway, I'll shut up now
Thanks for participating  
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Feminine side? Hmmm.....
I prefer to call it a sensitve side as well.
Men with "feelings" is a good thing!
Just as long as there isn't TOO much of it if you know what I mean!
And for your question....no....
I think it's 100% normal and a good "side" to have!  

And hey Chris....A man that is strong is still desirable, at least in my book!
A well balanced man I'd like to call it!
And hey, I do believe I'm already in touch with my masculine side Sir!   Hehe

One last note for Sharon.....
If I give one a penny for their thoughts....
But one put's their two cents worth in.....
How does one ever make a profit? LOL  


~PanDol

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JC, for not understanding my question and/or having a blonde moment, you answered quite well.  

Ultimately I think you and I are both on the same wavelength when it comes to writing... however, I am without a doubt of female persuasion, so I don't think I can thus answer whether or not writing, as you and I see it, can be averred to as "being in touch with the feminine side."  Now, Christopher, well, he's another thought process altogether! LOL! [And if Christopher comes back to answer this, then he has too much time on his hands altogether!]

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ok, my take for what it's worth...*g*

I think both men AND women change according to the person they are with...I've known big brutes of men that are like tiny gossamer angels in the right hands and angel type men that turn into brutes in the wrong hands...I think it comes down to wavelength, sharing and understanding, being comfortable with sharing dreams, fears and the good and sad parts of anyone's life and not all can do that...it takes the right magic and hence people change...

HUGS

Good question BTW..
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I think (IMHO) that all men have a feminine side of them.  My wife say s that mine tends to show more in times of sadness or despair.  I tell her that my way of showing my feminine side is by writing poetry, sending her flowers, being romantic when I can and just being as good a father to my 3 lovely boys as I can.  She says that thats not showing my feminine side at all that it's just being me.  I try to be as sensitive in my writing as I can but sometimes thing start flowing through my pen that I cannot and would not want to stop.  I hope this helps people understand me and the way and reason behind some of my poetry.

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Well I am alittle late but better that than never.     As I see it, there is no male and female sides.  What I believe is that males and females have been conditioned over the years to be a certain way.  We were, as males, taught to be dominate, strong and above all show no emotions, cept anger, jealousy and the like.  Women, from what I have seen, have been taught to be sub-servent, have and care for the children(which the male has no resposibility for) and the like.  We have been seeing women for years now stepping out and demanding what should be there's and most of it I agree with.  But us men have always had our egos and pride to protect.  We are not likely to give it up without some major recontrustion of society.  But there are some of us men who are lucky.  We have broken out of the mold.  Me, personally, I had no choice.  The emotional abuse I had suffered through the years became so unbearable that when my shell cracked I came gushing out.  I suddenly became aware of the feelings of others around me and began to express my love for mankind in general by expressing my feelings.  I know this is long and you are wondering where and how it applies to poetry.  Well here it is.  I began expressing my feeling through poetry.  It became my release.  In conclusion I feel that anyone who writes poetry is simply writing what is in his or her heart.  I appologize now if this doesn't make any sense.  Peace.

SD

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15 posted 08-06-2000 01:40 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Karilea, that is so unfair! You're mean! You so knew that by phrasing it that way, I'd have to come back and comment on it! Brat!  
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i just came in here and read chris's response...lmac is right!!! hahaha veyr amusing...


Nik

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