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I dont know what to believe!!

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Bojopy
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0 posted 01-10-2000 08:38 PM       View Profile for Bojopy   Email Bojopy   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bojopy



I grew up going to church and believing in GOD and the bible.  As I grew older I really started to think about where were from and why life is here and very deep thoughts about this.  I cant portray all my thoughts about this as it may be very confusing. What I want to know is your thoughts about what you believe in and why?  I do believe in a higher power but not in the bible sense.  I have thought that Buddism is somewhat my way but I'm not sure.  Anyway I just want to see the poets side of this.  Thank you if you respond.

 

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Maverick Wolf
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1 posted 01-10-2000 10:50 PM       View Profile for Maverick Wolf   Email Maverick Wolf   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Maverick Wolf

Well, I'm not a poet, but I do a little writing here and there.  Anyway, I think I know exactly how you feel about religion.  Your feelings seem to mirror mine.  It is hard to contemplate things beyone our understanding, but if you look at any religion, you must have faith.  That is what it all comes down to.  I personally don't hae a faith that I worship, but like you I am looking for something to believe in.  I probably shouldn't ask questions in a response, but here goes anyway.  Do you feel that you look for something to believe in to explain the unexplainable things, such as the afterlife or death?  Sorry if this isn't the kind of reply that you were looking for, but your beliefs seem to mirror mine.  Best wishes for the future.
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2 posted 01-11-2000 01:23 AM       View Profile for Bojopy   Email Bojopy   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bojopy

Thank you for the response.  I'm not lookin for a poets side of things but that of a thinker upon this.  I do wonder about death, the afterlife and where are thoughts go persay.  I think about how we began and what began it.  There so many things to talk about I can't even begain to discuss them.  Maybe if we discuss each others questions and possible solutions or answers I think it would help us both.  If you would like to discuss this please keep on responding to this post!!! Thanks again

 

"Write down what you say if what you say is not written down" (Bojopy)


Severn
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3 posted 01-11-2000 07:23 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

Wow - couldn't possibly answer this with the entirety of my thoughts here! I would go on and on forever...  

I do know I am completely confused - yet believe that Jesus is my Lord - I just don't understand Him and do not like the way He allows the earth to live. We have an understanding - that He is there always and that I will come to Him one day - I know - it doesn't make any sense to me either - but there it is, that is what I believe in. (I did not grow up in a religious home btw)

I know - didn't help!!!

Later
This just wasn't a good enough answer...I'll think about it and come back with a condensed version...another  

  

 '...I want to be free - free to know people and their backgrounds - free to move to different parts of the world...' Sylvia Plath

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Maverick Wolf
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4 posted 01-11-2000 10:20 PM       View Profile for Maverick Wolf   Email Maverick Wolf   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Maverick Wolf

I think that the two biggest questions we face are the two opposites.  The beginning, and the end.  Who knows what was first?  Who knows where everything came from?  I certainly do not.  I think that we will most likely never know where everything started.  Theoretically, there was a time when nothing existed at all, and we can't create something out of nothing.  As for the end, who knows what it will bring?  What happens when we die?  No one can tell you this, and that is what makes it scary.  No matter who you talk to or for how long, they can tell you with no certainty what will happen.  Does our spirit live on?  Do we go to an afterlife?  Do we see nothing?  What happens?  I think that is why people look to religion.  To give answers to questions that no one can answer.  Even with religion, they still have some wandering questioning in their mind.  I'm glad you found my reply interesting and I will continue to check in here.
Dusk Treader
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5 posted 01-11-2000 10:24 PM       View Profile for Dusk Treader   Email Dusk Treader   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Dusk Treader

I believe in some kind of higher being, a being that threads are lives together.  As for the creation of the world, and life itself, I believe that's a question no man is ever meant to know.  It's just something beyond our human mind at the moment, maybe in the future we will learn the truth of it.

My belief system is not all that amazing.  Acutally, it's almost non-existant.  I believe in this world because it's before me and I can touch it and interact with it.  I think that after our deaths our spirits, our conciousness, or mind, whatever you wish to call it, lives on in some form.  I'm not really afraid of death, I can't stop it, it will happen no matter what I do, so might as well live until the day I do.  

I have morals that I follow, and that and my feelings, and love in particular, are what I believe in.  


 In flames I shall not be consumed, but reborn. -- Abrahm Simons




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WhtDove
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6 posted 01-11-2000 11:29 PM       View Profile for WhtDove   Email WhtDove   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit WhtDove's Home Page   View IP for WhtDove

This is a subject I could go on and on about too! I'd like to ask why you believed and then stopped?  Cause any other worship other than God is idol worship! The Bible states He is creator of all things and when we die, our spirit returns to God who gave it. Eccl. 12:7

Why we are here is to make a choice, it is really simple if you think about it. We tend to go way to deep sometimes.  We are here to either love God, or follow Satan. That is our great choice here while we live.

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Where there is faith,
there is love.
Where there is love,
there is peace.
Where there is peace,
there is GOD.
Where there is GOD,
there is no need.

Hallmark


Sally S.
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7 posted 01-14-2000 01:43 PM       View Profile for Sally S.   Email Sally S.   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sally S.

Well...this is certainly a very personal subject.  Myself, I just feel that there is someone, something, more than we could possibly begin to comprehend.  The reason I feel this way is this... Some time ago, I was going through a very difficult time in my life.  I too, didn't know what to believe in.  So, while laying in bed, pondering things as I usually do...I guess you could say I began "praying"...asking why etc..  Well, something happened to me and I felt something that I can not describe.  It was a feeling unlike any other.  

Now, I am in no way a religious fanatic..but after that experience, I just KNEW.  I had my answer and I was totally awe struck.  Not many can understand or even believe what took place that night.  That makes no difference to me.  I am at peace with my beliefs.  I feel there is something wonderful after this life and that makes me a better person for it, on many levels.

Normally, I wouldn't share this with just anyone and I haven't gone into great detail of HOW I felt during this time.  I know what happened.  I just can not stand the thought of another person putting me in the category of those television personalities who have been "saved" or something.  This was real!!

Do I know what's "out there"? Nope.  Do I know for certain that the Bible is God's word? um...Nope.  I just know that there IS something greater than anyone can possibly imagine.  I don't know if that helps you.  Though I do hope you find your answers.  Take care, Sally
sweetcollege_girl
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8 posted 01-17-2000 03:39 PM       View Profile for sweetcollege_girl   Email sweetcollege_girl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for sweetcollege_girl

One question...who will ever know???

 "Superiority to fate is difficult to learn. 'Tis not conferred by any, but possible to earn"--Emily Dickinson-"Superiority of Fate"
Isis
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9 posted 01-17-2000 11:28 PM       View Profile for Isis   Email Isis   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Isis's Home Page   View IP for Isis

I can't really answer this either.
I believe in God, and believe he is there, helping, guiding us etc.  I 'sort of' believe in the bible, but I have my doubts about how it was created and by whom.
Not that I don't believe but I have a scientific brain and like to see 'proof'.
I know that this is not possible.  So where I am leading.
I don't believe you HAVE to go to church to 'prove' you love or believe in God either.
I KNOW it says 'Where one or more gather together in my name I am there among them'
But....
I do pray, ask for strength, guidance, for the Lord to show me my path, show me what I am doing wrong etc.
I believe none of us can answer this, I have had many discussions with ministers and priests in the past, they can't give the answers either.
We will find out when we die.
I didn't help anyone here either, but that is my two cents.  


 Let your heart guide you. It whispers, so listen closely.
~Isis~
(Sovereign of the Spirit)

Trevor
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10 posted 01-18-2000 12:49 AM       View Profile for Trevor   Email Trevor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Trevor

Perhaps you shouldn't search for a set of beliefs. Consider changing with what is instead of trying to cram it all into a system or pattern. Live in the moment or in the now if the moment decrees it or plan for the future if the situation begs for it. Believe in a god today, then excommunicate yourself tomorrow then believe in another god next year if you wish. You don't have to believe in something for life. Change with yourself, realize that you will forever change if you let yourself and don't let a code of beliefs prevent you from growing or coming to terms with your existence. Continue to question and that which can not be questioned further keep as a reminder of what might be true. Nothing worse then seeing someone become something they are not because they were told to do so....cause there isn't any rules to life other then the ones you condemn yourself to and there might not be any answers other than the ones invented. Don't worry about death until your dead because it will find you soon enough (though there is nothing wrong with pondering the subject or preventing it...just don't stress yourself out about it). Explore the other ways of spirituality...all of them and don't worry about brimstone and ashes, you seem like a decent person, most people are, and if God won't let ya in cause you were curious about why the majority of the world worships gods other than the Christian one, then perhaps Heaven isn't all its cracked up to be. Personally I don't want to go to a heaven that excludes the Hindus or Jews or Muslims or Buddhists...etc. So if it's a corperate club that God built behind Pearly Gates...count me out and I raise the "bird" in His direction....see, no lightening, no thunder....we are free to think as we choose...say what we want...feel as we see fit....live how we want(but still take heed of the societal repercussions of evil actions...live by the sword-die by the sword type of stuff). Don't worry about not having faith in God....the Pope drives in a bullet proof vehicle (how much faith does he have? and he heads the Catholic church). For what it is worth I believe in the very real possibility of a higher power and if we were created in its image then why wouldn't it understand our thoughts and actions and if it isn't a kind god like we hoped it would be then I say F*** it! Let someone else worship it. It's time the human race got past the fact that faith does not clean the skies nor does it feed you when you're hungry. Faith doesn't stop people from shooting sprees nor does it help a football team win a game. We are gods, here and now and we have all the tools necessary to make life the way we want it. Anyways, I'm not trying to tell ya how to live your life, only you can decide that, but I'm trying to tell you that you do have choices and you shouldn't feel guilty that perhaps what you want in life doesn't match what you have been told you should want in life. As long as you don't try and harm people then you will always find those who will stand with you on your journey through life....wherever that journey takes you. Like I said before, only you can live your life and ultimately it is you who has to live with yourself but don't be afraid to go against the grain, there is life outside what people present you with as being "normal", cause there really isn't a "normal". Hope maybe a few of my ideas have helped...if not my apologies if I've made your train of thought more distressing.....my brother is going through a very similar thing right now as well as I did years ago and I can empathise with your plight. Take care,
Trevor

WHTDOVE:

I respect your beliefs and everyone elses but I must add my two cents re: your comments.

"Cause any other worship other than God is idol worship! The Bible states He is creator of all things and when we die, our spirit returns to God who gave it. Eccl. 12:7"

But I first read somewhere else in a book much older then the bible that if I worship something other then that god then I will go to their Hell. What should I do? Both Hells were written in a book so they both must be true.

I hardly think now is the time to tell someone he/she (sorry Bojopy...don't know your gender) is sinning (and therefore paving a path to Hell) because they are curious about other religious beliefs. More people do and have worshipped religions other than Christianity. This person is at a very confused state of mind and to tell them not to think of things other than what the Bible says could be very detremental to his/her growth. If God is all knowing, all seeing and a compassionate and benevolant creature then I'm sure God will forgive this person if he/she wanders off the beaten path for a few years and explores the other sides to life. If Christianity is the "pure" way than I don't see how Bojopy won't eventually end up back in the loving arms of Christianity.

"We are here to either love God, or follow Satan."

Well I'm not here for either, I'm here for myself and the rest of this planet. I'm here to smoke cigarettes, drink beer, get laid, write a few unmemorable poems and then I think I'll die and be judged not on my religious beliefs but on my actions. Whether or not God and Satan want to come along for the ride is their choice and not mine. Now if the bible says we should help those in need then shouldn't we perhaps be trying to lend a loving and caring hand to Satan. I mean who could be in more pain and anguish then the forever damned Prince of Evil? No wonder he's so angry, cast aside for eternity. So let me be the first one to say "Satan I forgive you. I forgive you for starving the African nations and for creating Hitler. Satan I forgive you for cancer and leprosy and for the whole tempting of Adam and Eve and making us suffer without a Garden of Eden. I forgive you for creating homosexuality, different religions, light beer and seductive latex  clothing. I want to give you a great big hug Satan and tell ya you can stop being so damn angry because I forgive you....we all do."

What point am I driving at with all this malarky? Well I'm guess in my odd way I'm trying to say that maybe it's a little harsh of you to try and pigeon hold Bojopy into thinking that he/she doesn't have a choice in what he/she can believe in and that it might not be a good idea to tell someone that they will be worshipping evil if they don't follow the same path that you do....cause lets face it....all religions and set systems of belief are flawed. Anything that we create to soundly define an existence that we know so little about can not be anything else but flawed. How can one be expected to define a house they have never been to? Or give an answer to question they haven't even been asked? Anyways I'm not trying to offend you, I honestly do respect your religious beliefs, I do think Christianity has some good advice somewhere in that book of theirs but I did feel compelled to speak out when it seems that you are trying mild scare tactics, (or God was), implying that a person shouldn't question what someone has taught them and that they don't have a choice when it comes to religion. I wish no ill will towards you and I hope you understand why I felt the need to express myself on this subject matter. Nor do I expect you to fully understand why I feel the way I do as I do not fully understand why you believe in what you do. That is why communication, especially when disagreeing, is so vital in the understanding of each other.
Take care,
Trevor
 
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