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Red Letter
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0 posted 07-16-99 12:57 PM       View Profile for Red Letter   Email Red Letter   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Red Letter

but I see such a serious lack of freeverse on these forums...

I'm starting to feel like an outcast! hehehe

Ok, so it's not that serious, but anyone else getting tired of the rhyming poetry?

*sigh*
anonyogi
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1 posted 07-17-99 08:08 PM       View Profile for anonyogi   Email anonyogi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit anonyogi's Home Page   View IP for anonyogi

I'll bear my teeth. Grr. Grr.

What is wrong with rhyme? Do you see it as a waste of time? A sign of an undeveloped mind?
Why must you be so critical? Is rhyming verse pure drivel? Written, you think, by souls that are too simple?

Personally I like it. Even if I rarely write it. When I see a rhymed poem I'm excited!!!!!!

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Poet deVine
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2 posted 07-17-99 08:20 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Frankly I see a serious lack of good poetry, rhymed or free verse......

if I could write good free verse I would..... mine sounds choppy.....but I'll try one and post it..what the heck..

[This message has been edited by Poet deVine (edited 07-17-99).]
doreen peri
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3 posted 07-17-99 11:38 PM       View Profile for doreen peri   Email doreen peri   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for doreen peri

Hey RED! Wassappinin'???

oh, yeah, back to your question... I've been posting both free verse and rhyme... seem to get more responses from the rhyming stuff. Usually, my rhyming poetry is "lighter" and my free verse more serious. Some of mine have gone by with zero responses and I hate to think the poems sucked... hehehe.... but maybe they did (?)

I agree that there's a lot more rhyming verse here than free verse but it doesn't make me *not* want to post my free verse (despite the lesser responses... there's just a LOT of people here).

I disagree with Sharon, though... I don't think there's a serious lack of good poetry... there's a lot of good writing here (not *all* )... I think the Critical Analysis forum will be a good venue for honing skills.

Anyway, sorry for rambling... glad to see you around, Red! You are certainly one of the better free verse poets posting and an inspiration to us all. Please keep posting!!!
Red Letter
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4 posted 07-19-99 09:36 PM       View Profile for Red Letter   Email Red Letter   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Red Letter

Oh geez, I figured someone would post a response like anonyogi's...

Anyone who knows me, knows I have no objection to rhyming poetry - it takes skill, it takes talent - god knows I've tried it a number of times myself (probably 20% of my work rhymes so believe me, I am aware of the work involved)...

I just happen to *prefer* free-verse, that's all... I feel more liberated in it and find it easier to express myself rather then being tied down to a rhyming phrase (my opinion only of course...). It just seems that there is an incredible amount of it (both decent and sometimes pretty awful, I admit) on these forums and I am missing the format that I enjoy the most.

I know a very talented rhyming poet that told me once that he thought that people who wrote freeverse were just poets that didn't know how to rhyme - that was, until he read some decent quality freeverse and until he attempted to try it himself. Sure, it's easy to write freeverse, just as it's easy to rhyme two phrases, but to write GOOD freeverse and GOOD rhyme is a completely different matter. I applaude those who succeed at either style...

*stepping off soapbox*
IsabelleSkye
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5 posted 07-19-99 11:26 PM       View Profile for IsabelleSkye   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for IsabelleSkye

Red....my girl....FREEVERSE Reigns! LOL Alas you and I, the poor souls who must suffer through life upon this mortal coil with no rhyme to our reason! I admire the poets who can rhyme, I cannot and when I try it usually sucks! Red you ARE my ideal of a Freeverse poet! Ya know I got yer back girlie.
Izzy

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Red Letter
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6 posted 07-20-99 12:14 AM       View Profile for Red Letter   Email Red Letter   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Red Letter

Ahhhh, my favorite girl!!

I gotcher back, too, my friend.... I LOOK for your stuff, such relief that our art is not dead...

(Hey, email me sometime, k? I miss you...)
Balladeer
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7 posted 07-21-99 08:55 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

If I had my mouth I would bite. If I had my liberty I would do my liking. In the mean time, let me be that I am, and seek not to alter me. ~~~Shakespeare~~~
VelvetLuna
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8 posted 07-22-99 01:33 AM       View Profile for VelvetLuna   Email VelvetLuna   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for VelvetLuna

I write free verse!!! check out mine! personally, i dont like rhyming poetry..only if its really really good, though..
Alwye
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9 posted 07-23-99 12:18 AM       View Profile for Alwye   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alwye

I think that the diversity of having both free verse and rhyming poetry is what makes the art of poetry in itself great. One is not better or worse than the other. I myself love free verse, but have barely any talent in writing it. But thats not to say that rhyming poetry isn't just as good. All the differences makes poetry truly great. Only my humble opinion..

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Colin
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10 posted 07-27-99 09:21 AM       View Profile for Colin   Email Colin   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Colin

ok ok, that's it.... *frantically digging through archives*
right... my reply is....


Freeform.

Rhyme and rhythm
Come easily to me
Flowing from my pen.
Others
Throw words at paper
Creating freeform
A thing of beauty
But
When I try
I worry
For all I see
Is a smattering of words.

*poking tongue out*
Eric
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11 posted 07-27-99 09:54 PM       View Profile for Masked Intruder   Email Masked Intruder   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Masked Intruder

Rhyme and meter are so much sweeter
Without the rhyme and meter!!!!!!


Didn't you know?!

*grins* F.V.F.L (Free Verse For Life)

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JP
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12 posted 08-02-99 06:00 PM       View Profile for JP   Email JP   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit JP's Home Page   View IP for JP

What can I say? I see a lack of free verse and a serious lack of appreciation for it. I've read poetry here that hallmark would not use, and while I am not an expert, I know the difference between verse with thought, and rhyme with naught.

But let me put this to you: Why should one endeaver to post works of prose, free verse, or rhyme of quality, when no one seems to read nor comment upon it?

Poeta nasciture, non fit
JP
JP
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13 posted 08-02-99 06:11 PM       View Profile for JP   Email JP   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit JP's Home Page   View IP for JP

Let me re-respond. My last post sounded a bit mean. Did not intend it as such.

I have written much that rhymes, and have moved to freeverse. The quality is not in the style, in my opinion, it is the ability to say what needs to be said in a way that no one has yet used before.

what the sam hill am I talking about? I don't know, just read my shit and comment will ya?
Ron
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14 posted 08-03-99 04:09 AM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

JP, I couldn't agree more! Poetry is about what you say, and has little or nothing to do with format.

I think it's really fascinating that Red started this thread, you're at the tail (for a moment), and Izzy is hanging in the middle. Why? Because the three of you have something very much in common, and I think that something relates to the comments on your work.

There are a lot of great poets here. Some of them stick primarily to light verse, some pepper their offerings with an occasional serious poem, and a few - such as those mentioned above (though there are others, too) - concentrate to a very large extent on serious themes. More, you, Red and Izzy very often weave hidden threads into your tapesties, with images and allusions that go beyond even a serious theme. I'm not suggesting there aren't other who don't do the same - but you three stand out in my mind, if only because I've been reading your work longer than most.

Let me tell you a story. A week or two ago, Doreen posted a poem in the Open forum and I suggested she also post it in Critical Analysis - so we could spend some in-depth time talking about it. It was that good! And now I'm struggling to find the time to respond in the depth I feel it really deserves. I need more than the 5 or 10 minutes I usually take to post - at least 30 minutes and possibly an hour - and it's darn tough to find that time. The poem deserves it, and it's my failure I haven't been able to do it.

I can't tell you the number of times I've run into the same problem with poems by you, Red, and Izzy. And, yea, others, too. Lots of others, though not always with the same consistency (like almost every poem you three post? ) Maybe I should content myself with a simple "Oh, wow!" Instead, I keep promising myself (as I have with Doreen) that I'll find the time later. Later seems to be a lot like a good woman - damn hard to find at times.

Rest assured, JP, your poems are being read. And appreciated...

Later,
Ron (I couldn't help myself!)
JP
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15 posted 08-03-99 01:04 PM       View Profile for JP   Email JP   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit JP's Home Page   View IP for JP

I really appreciate your words Ron. No one here knows me as well as Red, no one knows how deep my arrogance runs (my pride wants me to call it confidence). Do I like in depth comments on my poems? Absolutely. But that is secondary to the idea that people read and understand something I've written.

I try to balance my temper tantrums over not being commmented on, with the knowledge that I, like you, read something and want to spend an inordinante amount of time commenting on it. Yet time, and my own inability to focus for any length of time cuts into me like a rusty saw.

Red Letter writes with such depth and passion I find it hard to comment on most of what she writes. One of her poems is like a flaky bisquit, delicious whole, but you can peel off layer after layer of wonderful morsels. I am going to spend time today reading Izzy's work, get acquainted with it and apply myself to indepth analysis and commentary.

Okay, I've rambled enough.. Furor poeticus
Red Letter
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16 posted 08-03-99 09:43 PM       View Profile for Red Letter   Email Red Letter   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Red Letter

wow... thanks, JP... you know me (and the shit my life has thrown my way) better then probably anyone here and I can't help being incredibly flattered by your words... I do know you UNDERSTAND my stuff really well and I love that - and of course, I often know exactly where you (and yer 'confidence' {whatever!} hehehe) are coming from.... I always read your stuff even when I don't comment... do know that...

And as for you, Ron... you are TOOOOOO flattering... your words mean much to me. thanks.


IsabelleSkye
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17 posted 08-04-99 12:20 AM       View Profile for IsabelleSkye   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for IsabelleSkye

WOW!!!
Here I wasn't looking and ya'll were talking about me *self conscious blush*
Thanks....
when the haze clears I'll reply better LOL
Izzy
(Hint...UN-O-ME JP *wink* *nudge*~adjusting HALO~ HINT HINT)

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than to be crowded on a velvet cushion."
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Ron
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18 posted 08-04-99 12:54 AM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

And, JP, if Izzy's hint wasn't quite strong enough you might try this thread...



[This message has been edited by Ron (edited 08-04-99).]
JP
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19 posted 08-04-99 10:43 AM       View Profile for JP   Email JP   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit JP's Home Page   View IP for JP

My god how I hate pen names! Y'all get me so discombobulated with your mystery and stealth...

I need one of those valium the doctor prescribed.....
Lil-bit
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20 posted 08-04-99 11:34 AM       View Profile for Lil-bit   Email Lil-bit   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Lil-bit

Poetry is poetry - whether free-verse or rhyme. Enjoy it for what it says NOT looking at the form!

Think as a "blind man". Enjoy the feel, textures and warmth. Envision yourself in the scenes described. Learn to see with your feelings not your eyes. Breath in the smells as if you are really in that poem.

Learn to become part of the words NOT the form. As you learn to do this - the form will become meaningless and inconsequential.

Take a break from reading poems that rhyme. Come back to them when you arent so irritated by the "rhyming". You will enjoy them more.

Be blessed and happy reading!


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[This message has been edited by Lil-bit (edited 08-04-99).]
JP
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21 posted 08-04-99 02:30 PM       View Profile for JP   Email JP   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit JP's Home Page   View IP for JP

Hmmmmm, lil bit, you may have a point, but I think you are missing a lot in your assertions, some of that is familiarity with whom you are addressing and making assumptions that that person is new to poetry.

It is not my place to speak or Red, but if you were addressing me I would say "let's meet in the Alley"

Poeta nasciture, non fit
JP
Black Rain
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22 posted 08-04-99 07:36 PM       View Profile for Black Rain   Email Black Rain   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Black Rain's Home Page   View IP for Black Rain

Ok I take that as a personal insult. Rhyming is the only kind of poem I can get myself to do. I've tried writing free poetry, but it just isn't my thing.....I don't understand how you guys can say that rhyming isn't as good or "as mature" or whatever. Poetry is Poetry and as long as it comes from the heart it is good. I write poems to express my feelings, I don't mind if people don't like my work, it just makes me feel better to get it out in the open. But it just makes me mad when people insult my work and tell me that It's not up to their standards.
Sorry to waste your time, I just had to put in my thoughts.........
black rain

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IsabelleSkye
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23 posted 08-04-99 08:29 PM       View Profile for IsabelleSkye   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for IsabelleSkye

I have a couple things to say
first of which is that too many dang people are carrying chips on their shoulders and waiting anxiously to see who jiggles it next so they can have an excuse to blow up.
Live and Let Live ya'll it's easier eh?
Free Verse, Rhyming whatever......it don't matter! We are all in this poetic ship together, if you cannot row with the others please abandon the ship before ya sink us all.
Second.....JP..if ya missed the hint Ron threw yer way, then you'll just have to go thru life wondering who I really am...Red..no telling! eh? ok girlie? *Girls Rule*
LOL
anyways, I'll hop off the soap box I just stole from one of ya'll
Much love
I.Skye

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"I would rather sit on a pumpkin, and have it all to myself,
than to be crowded on a velvet cushion."
.....Henry David Thoreau
Partner In Crime #1
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24 posted 08-04-99 08:51 PM       View Profile for Partner In Crime #1   Edit/Delete Message     View IP for Partner In Crime #1

Hehe...Of course, those pesky Partners in Crime are always around holding certain secrets. But for a price, things can be forgotten. *evil grin*

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