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Hope I'm not being obnoxious here...

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Black Rain
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since 07-19-99
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25 posted 08-05-99 12:23 AM       View Profile for Black Rain   Email Black Rain   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Black Rain's Home Page   View IP for Black Rain

ok chip on my shoulder? whatever, i'm not even going to get into this......and i don't think it was right of you to tell people that want to express thier opinions to "get off the ship".
black rain

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"I'm just a girl...standing in front of a boy...asking him to love her." - Notting Hill
MissNTrope
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since 07-29-99
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26 posted 08-05-99 07:11 AM       View Profile for MissNTrope   Edit/Delete Message     View IP for MissNTrope

WHIIIIIIIIIII-NING.....
What's wrong with RHYYYYYYYY-MING??????
JP
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since 05-25-99
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27 posted 08-05-99 10:26 AM       View Profile for JP   Email JP   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit JP's Home Page   View IP for JP

A few points: Izzy I got the hint(~X~) I may be a bit slow but I can still beat a snail in a race...

Black Rain, nothing is wrong with rhyming, and the general consensus in this world is that all forms of poetry are valid and valued works of art, and I think the whole point of this discussion was to assert that idea.

To take offense because some say they do not prefer rhyming poetry... Izz was positively correct, chips are there, like that damn battery and people dare others to knock them off.

Poetry is such a personal thing, more so than other forms of art (in my opinion). Not many painters hang a painting in a gallery and throw fits if someway says they don't care for it, but poets do it here all the time.

Critique and criticism are closely related but entirely different activities, a criticism is non-constructive, demeaning, and useless to anyone but the small minded individual doing the criticizing. A critique however, is useful. It is designed to help the artist perfect his or her craft, what I see on this web site is critiques for the most part.

I do see opinions expressed, some say they don't care for free verse or rhyme. They are not saying that one form is better than the other, they merely state their preference, to be offended by that is ludicrous. Would you be equally offended if someone said they prefer brown eyes to blue, if you had blue eyes?

We are close to the end now... Ultimately there is only one thing to know, poetry in all its forms is a blessing from the gods, it blesses those who write it for whatever reason they write, and it blesses those who read it for whatever reason they read. This gift... this best bit of humanity that we can share between us should not be a pawn in a battle of petty tripe, but a joyous celebration of our existence and fellowship in this world.

Amor vincit omnia
JP
Delores Hall
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28 posted 08-05-99 11:51 PM       View Profile for Delores Hall   Email Delores Hall   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Delores Hall

This is sad.I see things a little more
clearly now.Have a nice day.
IsabelleSkye
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29 posted 08-06-99 01:00 PM       View Profile for IsabelleSkye   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for IsabelleSkye

Actually what I meant was that I had previously been posting at another site, and it became torn apart by people's biases etc. I was saying that we should live and let live...by admiring styles with which we do not write. And being a cheering section for our favourite poets. And not trashing those we do not like or do not agree with.
I am a creature of peace and harmony.
I'd hate to watch this site suffer like the other one did. Many of our poets here come from there. This site is such a respite from tempest and torment of angry people. I love it!
(Thanks Ron *hug*)
Izzy

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"I would rather sit on a pumpkin, and have it all to myself,
than to be crowded on a velvet cushion."
.....Henry David Thoreau
PartiStarks
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since 07-31-99
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30 posted 08-06-99 05:41 PM       View Profile for PartiStarks   Email PartiStarks   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PartiStarks

I am versatile and I know how to appreciate both freeverse and rhyming poems.
pandora
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since 07-26-99
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31 posted 08-08-99 03:30 AM       View Profile for pandora   Email pandora   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for pandora


Free verse vs. rhyming? jeez, I dunno.... sometimes I rhyme, sometimes I don't, it's all in what I want to say at the time and the feeling of the piece.... thanks, l'il bit, I agree... poetry is poetry, no matter what! as long as it's poetry .... hehehe

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With one wish we wake the will within wisdom. With one will we wish the wisdom within waking.
--pandora


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Trevor
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since 08-12-99
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32 posted 08-12-99 06:49 PM       View Profile for Trevor   Email Trevor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Trevor

Why oh why must everyone try to constrain everything within categories....free verse...rhyme....sonnets....haikus.....I guess that's my bone to pick....let rhymes live and let free verse flow and let haikus be ump-teen lines long.....good poetry is good poetry no matter what the format is.....so there....I'm still alive...no lightning bolts and no purgatory.....it's nice to be on the net again.....P.S. Thanks Doreen
poetFemmeFatale
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since 07-25-99
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33 posted 08-13-99 07:19 PM       View Profile for poetFemmeFatale   Email poetFemmeFatale   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for poetFemmeFatale

Okay everyone - I never get into this sort of thing as far as commenting, (I usually read them though) but it's because someone always ends up getting offended and then mud starts flying! We poets should be above that, considering one of our best talents is Communication in a sense. I can't let this one pass me by however, because I have such a strong belief on this topic....
When I'm reading through & posting comments, you'll find very rarely do I critique on form or grade on "accuracy" as far as like a Teacher would - (no offense Nan) To me poetry is a one-way ticket into a person's soul, and a priveledge to go there at that. No matter how good, or what style they use, or how flawless the meter & rhyme, if any, I see poetry as a doorway to an individual, and I think, "What inspired this person to pick up the pen in the first place...?" I try to get in their head, and stand in their shoes for a moment to see if I can feel their words....it's quite an experience.....and it doesn't matter if it rhymes or not....some of the most beautiful stuff I've read in here, came from just a simple thought, feeling, idea, situation.....and what made it beautiful was because of what it made me feel. Don't grade eachother so hard that it takes the real pleasure away from what and why we write.....it is a form of inexpensive therapy....for tears & laughter!! We are all here because we love to express & share our souls with eachother.....poets are artists in the most exquisite form.....lets not stoop to a low and critique eachother so harshly that we offend or hurt our fellow poets...We are all such colorful & unique individuals, and we write as such...variety is what makes man the wonderful creature that he is !! (and woman) We write what's in our hearts, thus the wonderful variety in the forum....what's wrong with that? If we all wrote the same, we'd be bored out of our minds !! Okay, I'm outta here....I'll pass the offering plate later....nuff preaching from me!!! Love all you guys - we are brothers & sisters in Art & Soul !! Gennifer

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- poet FemmeFatale

"The strongest man in the world is he who stands most alone..." Henrik Ibsen (1826-1906) Norwegian dramatist lyric poet

IsabelleSkye
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34 posted 08-14-99 12:06 PM       View Profile for IsabelleSkye   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for IsabelleSkye

Bravissimo!
Christopher
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35 posted 08-15-99 04:10 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Well now, it appears I've landed myself in another mess. I too, left the last forum I visited, because of the insensitivity of others (not that anyone would ever not like my stuff)
Anyway, in my own opinion,(and you know what they say about opinions...) I think the problem stems from both sides.
Side one: People are too critical. (Using the term as JP put it.) I don't know, or care, if it stems from a lack of self-esteem, but some people do seem bitter when responding to others work. Be that as it may. In my own personal belief, I stand with JP as to the difference between critique and criticism. I think we should spend our time critiquing, so as to enrich the respondants life, as opposed to disgruntling them. Remember, judge not, lest ye be judged. And though you may not believe as others, by making a judgement, you bring judgement down upon yourself. If not from God, then at least from the ones you've judged. And being the instigator, whom do you think will be judged more harshly?
Side two:
Those who are being critiqued, or criticised could perhaps develop a wider breadth of understanding. I have witnessed a critique being taken as harsh criticism, when it is merely that the person was not "graceful" with their suggestions. Maybe if we show a little more tolerance, some of us would realize, that what the person is saying is valid, and not meant to be derogatory in any way. (Such as the case that started here! JP wasn't saying that free-verse people were not talented, he was merely expressing his personal opinion, and not in an insulting manner.)
Please everybody, I really have come to like this forum. It's much better than any I've ever been to, and I think the breadth of talent is amazing. Granted, I don't care for everything, but hey- taste varies.
So everybody.....
Can't we just get along!!!!


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...the things I did not know at first, I learned by doing twice.
-Billy Joel


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Clmbb
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since 07-23-99
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36 posted 08-16-99 04:22 PM       View Profile for Clmbb   Email Clmbb   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Clmbb's Home Page   View IP for Clmbb

Well I read all the comments and find myself with mixed emotions here.
I started writing poety that rhymed in school, of course we probably all did at some point. I feel in my opinion (and yes I know we all have one) that for me switching from rhyme to free-verse was just another level of growth in my writing. Some may not be comfortable in that others find its more relaxed with their writing.
For me, mine may not be good but I feel that I cannot be good unless I try. All my successes have come from some sort of failure and I've had plenty. Weither my poetry is read and commented on doesn't really matter personally. For I find what I write, I write because its what I feel. And in writing how I feel I cannot be wrong.
I try to always remember everyone will not come away with the same feelings that I did when I wrote my poetry. It takes courage to write and post.
I commend you all. And look forward to reading all of your work.
TheGreenPolarBear
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37 posted 08-18-99 12:57 AM       View Profile for TheGreenPolarBear   Email TheGreenPolarBear   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit TheGreenPolarBear's Home Page   View IP for TheGreenPolarBear

Well, I'm finally getting around to really responding here. I'm without a doubt a free-verse kinda guy for a couple reasons. First off, I suck at good rhythm, etc. in poetry, so I try to avoid it. Second, I'm a big fan of poetry written by guys like Kerouac and Ginsberg, and I believe that this is a type of poetry that can only happen in free verse. They write in such a spontaneous style that rhyme and anything other than natural speech rhythm would be almost impossible. That's the style I like to write in most, so that's why I write in free verse and now I'm tired and wonder if anyone even is going to read this. So, I'll step down from the mic for now. Bubye.

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The Green Polar Bear

"The past is what we live the future for." -- Me

Brad
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since 08-20-99
Posts 5896
Jejudo, South Korea


38 posted 08-22-99 11:41 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Red, it's the wookie. Do you have any idea what you have created here? Still, I am unsure what you mean 'free verse' versus 'rhyme'? Where does blank verse fit? i hope you know me well enough to know that, for me, the distinction is unimportant.

I have one more thing:
criticism (I admit it makes no sense) is the interpretation of a poem and it is the best compliment a poem can receive -- someone spent the time to figure out what you're trying to say and, in the process, came up with new ideas and opinions that, maybe, even the author never considered. This is part of the joy of reading poetry.

Your friend,
Brad
 
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