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0 posted 2004-09-30 08:16 PM



I've recently written the line 'A hesitant sun' however, my instincts tell me 'An hesitant' would be proper english. What is the rule? I know 'an' is used before a soft 'h' but what of hard h's?

Thanks in advance!

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1 posted 2004-09-30 09:29 PM


From http://www.englishplus.com/grammar/00000167.htm

A or An ?

The article a is used before consonant sounds; an is used before vowel sounds.


Words beginning with h, o and u sometimes begin with a vowel sound, sometimes a consonant sound.


Consonant Sound: a heroic couplet (h sound)

a once-happy lover (w sound)

a universal problem (y sound)


Vowel Sound: an honest man (no h sound)

an only child (o sound)

an unusual insect (u sound)



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2 posted 2004-09-30 09:36 PM


'A hesitant sun'  sounds right. I just read in another thread they used 'a ice age'. It should be (at least to my ears) an ice age. For me, it's how it sounds LOL  
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3 posted 2004-09-30 11:07 PM


I think we may have a master teacher on our hands! An honestly I mean it.

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

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4 posted 2004-10-01 12:07 PM


I seem to recall from an old,old English class that a word beginning with h with its first syllable not stressed should also be preceeded by an instead of a: "an historical reference," for instance. It never sounded right to me though. I suppose it could just be my Oklahoma influence but I always liked SEA's explanation.

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5 posted 2004-10-01 05:02 PM


Wow, you guys work fast. Thanks everyone but you can see my confusion. Mysteria's link states an is used before a soft h:

an honest man
an hour

but Not a Poet is correct as well, 'an' is used before hard h's as well:

an historic

Is it a case of modern vs. old english? Shrugs

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6 posted 2004-10-02 09:47 AM


An becomes a for easier pronunciation before words beginning with consonant-sounds.  
It is smoother/easier to say "a dog" than "an dog"  
And it makes a difference in our speech considering how often we use an/a.  

Originally though, an was simply "one" in the same way as one (which comes from an) is "one" in our modern English; but also could be used to mean "alone," and "unique" in some contexts.  It was never used as an "article" as an/a today.  
A word just naturally might carry that aspect.
Thus hus "house" meant "house" but also meant "a house"


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7 posted 2005-08-11 12:02 PM


Ab "from, away from" is similar in Latin.

It is usually a before words beginning in consonants:

Ab oriente   "from the east"

but:

A Deo  "from God"

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8 posted 2005-08-11 01:15 PM


I'm with Sea...when it sounds right, I use it the way it sounds right.  
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9 posted 2006-03-26 10:23 PM


Why do my teachers always make me change it to "an horrific event"? You pronounce the h in horrific, so wouldn't it be "a horrific event"?

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10 posted 2006-03-26 11:14 PM


See the notes above. The first syllable in horrific is unstressed.

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11 posted 2006-04-09 11:51 PM


Some words became a bit altered from this a/an business:

[From dictionary.com]

Apron:

[Middle English, from an apron, alteration of a napron, from Old French naperon, diminutive of nape, tablecloth, from Latin mappa, napkin. See map]


Adder

[Middle English, from an addre, alteration of a naddre, a snake, from Old English nædre, snake]


Newt

[Middle English neute, from a neute, alteration of an eute, variant of evete, from Old English efete.]


Nickname:

[Middle English neke name, from a neke name, alteration of an eke name : eke, addition (from Old English aca. See aug- in Indo-European Roots) + name, name; see name.]

[This message has been edited by Essorant (04-10-2006 12:40 AM).]

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12 posted 2006-06-08 12:48 PM


Here's another one:

Notch

[Probably from a notch, alteration of an otch, from French oche, from Old French, from ochier, to notch.]


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