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silent whispers
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since 2001-07-07
Posts 40
Alaska

0 posted 2002-01-16 04:50 AM



If love were not as fluid as the Ocean
you'ld grasp it with both hands
watch the sands of time slip through
and coat the bottom of your geni bottle

If joy were not as lasting as the Sky
you'ld trap all you could in a box
made of cardboard and left soggy
after the tears fell from heaven

If roses were not more than Poison
you held your crucifix up to block the sent
and watch the thorns encircle others
but never letting them near your soul

Why is it that in silence the mind screams?

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Irish Rose
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since 2000-04-06
Posts 10263

1 posted 2002-01-16 06:12 AM


I just saved this poem to disc, that's how much I loved it.

God, I hate to even critique it, to me it's nearly perfect!
BUT this is the critique forum

Ok, maybe some punctuation
no need to capitalize "ocean, sky, poison"
geni is genie
I believe you meant "scent" instead of "sent"

I also feel it could be more tight.  I'll be back later, if you don't mind
I'm barely awake but I feel this is more than worth another read.

Kathleen--(Kay)
A true friend does not love you for who you are, but in spite of who you are." -- Caroline Tran

silent whispers
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since 2001-07-07
Posts 40
Alaska
2 posted 2002-01-16 04:33 PM


Thank you Irish Rose )

If Love (revision #2)
*  *  *  *  *  *  *

If love were not as fluid as the ocean,
you would grasp it with both hands and
watch as the sands of time slid through
and coated the bottom of your genie bottle

If joy were not as lasting as the sky
you would trap all you could in a box
made of cardboard and left soggy
after the tears fell from heaven

If roses were not more than poison
you would hold your crucifix up high
and watch the thorns encircle others
never letting them near your soul

Why is it that in silence the mind screams?

Englishpoet
Member
since 2001-12-18
Posts 54
Birmingham, England
3 posted 2002-01-17 07:36 PM


Hi

The first two stanza is perfect. Last stanza is not as strong as the other two. Overall, I loved it.
Asif

The heights by great men reached and kept
Were not attained by sudden flight,
But they while their companions slept
Were toiling upward in the nigh

hush
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since 2001-05-27
Posts 1653
Ohio, USA
4 posted 2002-01-17 11:20 PM


This poem has one really major problem.

'If love were not as fluid as the ocean,
you would grasp it with both hands and
watch as the sands of time slid through
and coated the bottom of your genie bottle'

What does the ocean have to do with the sands of time and a genie bottle? Maybe there's a connection, but you don't make it clear.

'If joy were not as lasting as the sky
you would trap all you could in a box
made of cardboard and left soggy
after the tears fell from heaven'

I don't think this one is as bad, but I still don't see what catching joy in a box has to do with it being soggy with tears from heaven? I see a potential connection, but there are a lot of possibilities... I think you should give the reader more direction.

'If roses were not more than poison
you would hold your crucifix up high
and watch the thorns encircle others
never letting them near your soul'

I don't know what roses have to do with poison or crucifixes. The end just confuses me. Who are the 'others?'

Also, just as a side not... the structure of the first line of each stanza is very confusing... I have to make my brain work around the wording to see what you mean, and that's very tedious.

Hope I've helped.


"I'm thinking about leaving tomorrow
I'm thinking about being on my own
I think I been wasting my time
I'm thinking about getting out"

Irish Rose
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since 2000-04-06
Posts 10263

5 posted 2002-01-18 03:24 PM


I like your revision and I feel
there is much to be left up to the reader.
The only thing that I too, am bothered with,
is the poison and the crucifixes.  I got
lost with that when comparing it to a rose.

Kathleen--(Kay)
A true friend does not love you for who you are, but in spite of who you are." -- Caroline Tran

silent whispers
Junior Member
since 2001-07-07
Posts 40
Alaska
6 posted 2002-01-20 04:41 AM


If love were not as fluid as the ocean,
you would grasp it with both hands and
watch as the sands of time slid through
and coated the bottom of your genie bottle

If joy were not as lasting as the sky
you would trap all you could in a box
made of cardboard and left soggy
after the tears fell from heaven

If pain were not as deadly as poison
you would fill your soul with its light
and watch the night encircle others
as you slowly walked away from life

Opeth
Senior Member
since 2001-12-13
Posts 1543
The Ravines
7 posted 2002-01-24 12:49 PM


If love were not as fluid as the Ocean
you'ld you’d grasp it with both hands missing a connector
watch the sands of time slip through I don’t get it. I thought the person was grasping love, not the sands of time?
and coat the bottom of your genie bottle

If joy were singular “was” not as lasting as the Sky
you'ld you’d trap all you could in a box
made of cardboard and left soggy awkward sentence structure
after the tears fell from heaven

so far, punctuation marks are missing in numerous places

If roses were not more than Poison
you held your crucifix up to block the sent these two lines are poorly constructed and are nonsensical and I believe you mean “scent” not sent.
and watch the thorns encircle others
but never letting them near your soul

I think the idea behind this is a good one. Good luck on the rewrite.



Opeth
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since 2001-12-13
Posts 1543
The Ravines
8 posted 2002-01-24 01:10 PM


Now on to your rewrite...

If love were not as fluid as the ocean,
you would grasp it with both hands and ill-advisec placement of the term "and"
watch as the sands of time slid through
and coated the bottom of your genie bottle
again, is this person holding love or the sands of time?
If joy were not as lasting as the sky
you would trap all you could in a box
made of cardboard and left soggy awkward
after the tears fell from heaven

If pain were not as deadly as poison
you would fill your soul with its light
and watch the night encircle others
as you slowly walked away from life

If you are going to punctuate at times, punctuate the poem's entirity.

I have a problem with the perspective of this poem: you would & you are...who me? or the reader? No, don't speak for the reader, speak for yourself. Make "I" statements about your beliefs.  I would change the, you woulds and the you ares into: "I would" and "I am"

This revision is much better, btw.

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