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roxane
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0 posted 1999-11-23 09:37 PM


a kiss is a promise
another bond between two
where one pledges again to love the other forever
each time their lips touch
the sublime moment does render
a vow to once again put the other's happiness
above one's own and all others'
every sweet kiss is a bridge
of fresh young hope in every age
where underneath may lay despair
above they know nothing
nothing at all of sadness


i know this one isn't very good, but i'm in one of those "romantic" moods. i couldn't find any romanti poetry here (i even checked teen poetry, which i believe has a reputation for dwelling on "love"). i had to post my own, but feel free to criticize.

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"Come night, come darkness, for you cannot come too soon or stay too long in such a place as this." Charles Dickens


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Mya15
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since 1999-07-19
Posts 16
Sunrise,Fl,33351
1 posted 1999-11-26 03:12 PM


Roxane,
I actually liked your poem alot. I was a bit suprised though that you actually wrote a romaintic poem because I usually read the ones where you write about the truth of life. I know what you mean about teens writing about love alot of the time. Thats basically what I write about because I'm not good at anything else but I think that you are brilliant because you can write beautifully about anything that's on your mind. A talent which I lack very much. Please keep posting here.
Mya

Brad
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since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705
Jejudo, South Korea
2 posted 1999-12-01 06:39 PM


Roxane,
I agree with you. I don't think this is very good and I've certainly seen a lot better from you. What's the problem? You've moved into philosophical meandering on the nature of a kiss. Why not write an essay and put it in another forum? Or, think about the 'truth' or relevancy of your statement in the twentieth century Western civilization. Is a kiss really what you're telling us? I think you would agree that it is not. On the other hand, why not expand the poem and make this part of the thoughts of a young, innocent woman who believes that a kiss is all these things only to be brutally awakened when actually kissed.

Or, give us a context where such an explanation would work.

Just some ideas,
Brad

jbouder
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since 1999-09-18
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Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash
3 posted 1999-12-02 09:56 AM


Roxanne:

I agree with you and Brad that this is not very good. But I am an incurable optimist and I see a good bit of potential in it.

My first criticism is that I don't see that this poem is "going anywhere". Here are a few suggestions off the cuff. Personalize it and give it direction. Just a suggestion:

I thought your kiss was a promise,
a bond between us,
where we pledged to love eachother forever
with each soft touch of our lips.

Each time I kissed you I rendered
another vow to put your happiness
above my own.
But for you this wasn't so.

For me every sweet kiss was a bridge
of fresh young hope,
but you cast me to the River of Despair
that flows underneath.

But of this you seem to know nothing,
and nothing, at all, of my sadness.

I really like the material and I think all it needs is some direction.




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Jim

"If I rest, I rust." -Martin Luther


roxane
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since 1999-09-02
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4 posted 1999-12-02 04:30 PM


okay brad and co. i suddenly had this urge to attempt a villanelle, but it will be my first, so i decided to just use this poem, and your criticism as a topic.

an account of spin the bottle

some call a kiss a vow
a sublime moment tender
a bridge above despair

and so i see it now
what irony it does render
some call a kiss a vow

with a curtsy and a bow
they line up by gender
a bridge above despair

i do not yet know how
to my heart again surrender
some call a kiss a vow

their lips they do endow
to each and every lender
a bridge above despair

i send my ugly face now
but away the boys send her
some call a kiss a vow
a bridge above despair

well, how was it for a first try? i know that the rhyme sounds pretty forced. any suggestions would be great


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"Come night, come darkness, for you cannot come too soon or stay too long in such a place as this." Charles Dickens


roxane



Poertree
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since 1999-11-05
Posts 1359
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5 posted 1999-12-02 05:00 PM


Hummmph I was going to post my own villanelle but Roxane is a hard act to follow! especially as I suspect she composed this in about a tenth time I took with mine.

Well done ~thro gritted teeth lol~

P

jbouder
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since 1999-09-18
Posts 2534
Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash
6 posted 1999-12-03 11:24 AM


I really like what you did with this, Roxanne. Now you realize I have to try writing one of these ... not as easy as a Haiku! Thanks!

The line "what irony it does render" doesn't seem to flow as well as it could, but that is a very minor point.

Just a little wording thing also ... "gender" is not a synonym for "sex". Gender refers to masculine/feminine not male/female. Drives me nuts but most normal people probably don't care one way or the other.

All in all I really like the changes. The villanelle rolls right off the tongue. Good job.

Jim

Fairy Colours
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since 1999-12-02
Posts 169
Sunrise,Fl,US
7 posted 1999-12-04 11:44 AM


I've spent a great deal of time reading the poerty here before I came to post comments, and I must say that you are very talented. The first poem didn't seem to suit your style as much as the second. The ending of the first was muddled. The Second one was much more precise on the meaning. Keep writing.
--A Little Fairy--

Brie
New Member
since 1999-12-06
Posts 8
WA
8 posted 1999-12-07 02:34 PM


I agree that the villanelle is better, but I don't hate the first poem either. Maybe I'm an incurable romantic.

 "I'll give you time to steal my mind, but wait for me."

captaincargo
Member
since 1999-11-25
Posts 109
Corning, N.Y. U.S.A.
9 posted 1999-12-08 10:38 AM


roxane: Hi! The second one was soooo nice. I like!

I have to admit the first one was hard for me to follow. As always(when I can find the time0 I love coming here and reading everyones creations. I wish I could find the time to respond to each and every one. I make a special effort to read yours because you were my first friendly "face" here.

Now, how do you guys do all of these smiley face things???  )  ??




 Cap. Carg.

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